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Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on 2015-01-31T20:01:55
Sorry for the double sentence. Gee
Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on 2015-01-31T20:00:51
Is there any news on Sid's hip injury? Was Sid asked to comment on the condition of his hip after he played in the game against the NJ Devils? I was just on the Pens website and Malkin practiced today and will go on the road trip but he won't play until he's better. Did Sid say how his hip felt after he played in the game against the NJ Devils?
Anonymous (Rookie) wrote on 2015-01-31T19:37:56
They do like Westin hotels. I'm sure someone will spot them and tweet about it.
Anonymous (Veteran) wrote on 2015-01-31T19:32:26
Yes Rookie. It's pretty safe. Lol. Maybe if we divide up and post someone at each place we can figure it out. Lol. I'm leaning toward the Bayshore.
Anonymous (Rookie) wrote on 2015-01-31T19:26:44
Since they've stayed at different hotels its pretty safe to say we have no idea where they'll be.
Anonymous (Veteran) wrote on 2015-01-31T18:44:33
Anonymous (Veteran) wrote on 2015-01-31T18:43:58
Yup, they say at the Opus, well last year they did. Many people here in Van saw them. The restaraunt they ate at was just up the road from the hotel.
Anonymous (Veteran) wrote on 2015-01-31T18:34:01
I saw on HF Boards that the Pens stays in Westin Bayshore or Pan Pacific or Sutton Place.
Anonymous (Veteran) wrote on 2015-01-31T18:20:00
I have no clue where they stay in Vancouver but the one poster said they met him in Yaletown the night before the game and then she said it was at their hotel the Westin Bayshore which is not in Yaletown. Isn't the Opus there?
Anonymous (Rookie) wrote on 2015-01-31T17:44:17
Anonymous (Rookie) wrote on 2015-01-31T17:41:21
Once again the Penguins stayed at The Westin Bayshore in 2014. NOT at Opus. They stayed at The Westin Bayshore the previous year as well.
Anonymous (Veteran) wrote on 2015-01-31T17:38:32
I wonder how the Pens are going to do against the Preds tomorrow.. Nashville is doing very well in the league right now, so it will be interesting to see how the Pens do going up against them this time. I hope Pittsburgh wins, and that Sid gets some points!!
Anonymous (Rookie) wrote on 2015-01-31T16:42:44
Anonymous (Rookie) wrote on 2015-01-31T16:34:22
Sid was alone at some pastory shop today.. The girl said that on her instagram
Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on 2015-01-31T16:12:01
So thats whos it was craigs kid?
Anonymous (Legend) wrote on 2015-01-31T15:52:35
I wonder if Sid or Flower decides to have the window seat on the plane or train since they've been seatmeats for years. These set of gifs are adorable!
Anonymous (Legend) wrote on 2015-01-31T15:45:18
The kids talking in the background is adorable!!
Anonymous (Veteran) wrote on 2015-01-31T14:49:09
could be adams. he brings his kids when he can. I also remember from sometime this season someone had their kid/s in the locker room and the article said sid and some other player where entertaining them.
Anonymous (Veteran) wrote on 2015-01-31T14:40:34
Cant see but can hear
Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on 2015-01-31T14:40:20
Of sids interveiw from today
Anonymous (Rookie) wrote on 2015-01-31T14:30:53
What background soph?
Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on 2015-01-31T13:22:45
So if you guys listen to the background you can hear a kid but I dont know whos son it is. You can hear the dad talking but I cant make out which of the players it is
Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on 2015-01-31T13:10:56
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Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on 2015-01-31T11:58:06
author just posted new chapter to I will always love you story!
Anonymous (Rookie) wrote on 2015-01-31T11:27:40
correction: I googles cape Breton post. not times. sorry!
Anonymous (Rookie) wrote on 2015-01-31T11:27:04
reply vet 19:18. I am on a phone so I can't click on the link. what I did to get to the story was Google "cape Breton times sidney crosby dinner" which brought me to article. hope that helps!!
Anonymous (Veteran) wrote on 2015-01-31T11:18:35
Reply-to:Old but a really good story! Sid is an amazing person!

Didn't see where there was this story.
Just took me into what is going on present time, not any old stories.

Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on 2015-01-31T11:16:08
People have body guards for different reasons at different times. We don't know why he had one back then and if there are times he still uses one now.
Anonymous (Rookie) wrote on 2015-01-31T11:13:05
reply soph 18:39 got it. actually that was security that was provided for him at the event. it's mentioned in the article @ 18:32. the event staff provided security for him so he wasn't bombarded by autograph seekers during dinner. though according to the article every kid that came to his table during dinner wasn't turned away. he signed for them anyway. such a nice guy.
Anonymous (Veteran) wrote on 2015-01-31T11:00:54
Anyways it doesn't seem like Sid has a bodygaurd now because he doesn't bring him to bars/clubs and restaurant or when he is out and about shopping and stuff
Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on 2015-01-31T10:39:59
No, I remember the pic of him seating with some people and this guy was standing next to him.
Anonymous (Rookie) wrote on 2015-01-31T10:36:20
reply soph 18:31. are you talking about the bald guy? that's another player not a bodyguard.
Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on 2015-01-31T10:32:43
Old but a really good story! Sid is an amazing person!
Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on 2015-01-31T10:31:46
Also during the phoenix night of the champions there's a guy standing next to Sid, not sure if it was his bodyguard or one of the security guards in the event. There was a pic, but I couldn't find it.
Anonymous (Rookie) wrote on 2015-01-31T10:26:19
yeah if you read the comments he's his bodyguard and he's not actually standing on the stage. he's standing in front of it. also, if you read the comments someone who was there, a bartender maybe, said sid did not actually sign american pie. she sang don't stop believin by journey. there's lots of comments but if you go through them all you'll find the correct info.
Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on 2015-01-31T10:22:11
Well according to the comments it was his bodyguard.
Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on 2015-01-31T10:21:28
They stayed at Opus last year rookie not sure this year.
Anonymous (Veteran) wrote on 2015-01-31T10:20:47
Omg Sid sang karaoke!! American pie too lol! Thanks for posting the link! But are you sure the man standing infront of him in that photo of him on stage is his body guard? Seems a little weird that the guy would have his body guard stand on stage with him while he sings karaoke..
Anonymous (Rookie) wrote on 2015-01-31T10:15:41
yeah he used to have one but I think he stopped having one around 2011. I read that he hated being treated different than teammates (really likes being one of the "guys") so i think that was one of the reasons why the body guard disappeared. again, I don't know for sure but i'm just relaying what I saw/read/heard.
Anonymous (Rookie) wrote on 2015-01-31T10:11:45
Sid DOES NOT have a bodyguard. We met him last year in Vancouver down in Yaletown the night before the game. He was very very gracious. Chatted for a minute. Took a picture and went on his way. It helps we were in Pens gear just out enjoying the scenes.
The team DOES NOT stay at Opus. We met them at their hotel. They stay at The Westin Bayshore.
Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on 2015-01-31T10:10:05
This was in 2010 when the Pens went karaoke. Sid has a bodyguard just read the comments below. Maybe he doesn't have one now, but used to have before.
Anonymous (Veteran) wrote on 2015-01-31T09:58:50
I really doubt that Sid would need a bodyguard. Yes he's famous, but he's not a guy that has fans screeming & running after him when he goes for a walk down the street. Most people have body guards now a days for paparazzi, which Sid doesn't have to deal with. He only has people come up to him and ask to have a photo or have him sign something, but I think he is able to go out and do things without being bombarded by a lot of people. A few photos when he is out probably don't bother him, and a lot of the time, people just tweet about seeing him or being near him.
Anonymous (Rookie) wrote on 2015-01-31T09:25:43
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Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on 2015-01-31T08:52:02
Ok well thanks for all the help guys 😊 I just remembered it was mentioned a little while back and was just curious about it
Anonymous (Veteran) wrote on 2015-01-31T07:48:49
no there actually was one in rimouski. he's even featured in a video that details sid's time there.
Anonymous (Rookie) wrote on 2015-01-31T07:47:46
He didn't have like an actual bodyguard in rimouski two teammates helped him
Anonymous (Veteran) wrote on 2015-01-31T07:46:15
Probably keeps the bodyguard in the cupboard too.
Anonymous (Veteran) wrote on 2015-01-31T07:34:35
reply 15:26 first of all i'm not making anything up. i'm just saying he is spotted alone so if he has a body guard than he always doesn't use him. that's all. when I said I was confused it was because someone said that being spotted alone doesn't mean you don't have a body guard. I guess my question would be when would he need or want one if he goes out alone? and I never denied that he once had one. people use to mention it all the time when they met sid but it hasn't been mentioned in many years.
Anonymous (Rookie) wrote on 2015-01-31T07:26:03
I'm confused. When you don't know the answer for everything in your life do you just make something up and tell yourself it's true or do you just do it with Sid?
Anonymous (Veteran) wrote on 2015-01-31T07:20:14
Ok, so what would he use a body guard for if he goes out alone? i'm confused. and there are old articles that mention it so we do kind of know why he had one...
Anonymous (Rookie) wrote on 2015-01-31T07:16:35
I never denied that he has been spotted alone I just think that has absolutely nothing to do with him using a bodyguard. We don't know if he still uses one or why he had one to begin with. Anything other than that is just speculation.
Anonymous (Veteran) wrote on 2015-01-31T07:09:08
you're right I don't know but the fact that he is spotted out alone would lead anyone to believe that if he does have one he doesn't use it all the time. you can't deny that he is spotted alone.
Anonymous (Rookie) wrote on 2015-01-31T07:06:13
What I'm saying is you don't know if sid still uses a body guard now either sporadically or perminatly and you have no idea why he had I snack then. You're just guessing. Some posters here have a real problem separating their imagination combined with what they read once and what's real.
Anonymous (Rookie) wrote on 2015-01-31T07:01:40
Wasn't the bodyguard with him on vacation in punts Cana? I think I remember she mentions him a few times.
Anonymous (Veteran) wrote on 2015-01-31T07:00:47
reply rookie 14:50. i'm not really sure what you're saying but to clarify what i'm saying is that if sid had a body guard than he wouldn't be spotted out alone by himself so much. also, it is true that someone use to travel with the team and that person was specifically there to help wrangle the autograph crowds which were too overwhelming. they don't have anyone to do that anymore. it's just the regular pens staff that does it. again, it's been mentioned in articles. he also had someone helping him in rimouski. again also mentioned in articles and videos. honestly, it's not that hard to find.
Anonymous (Rookie) wrote on 2015-01-31T06:50:38
We have no idea why that bodyguard was There but I don't think guessing and being pretty sure are the same thing.
Anonymous (Veteran) wrote on 2015-01-31T06:17:35
pretty sure that "body guard" that he had early in his career wasn't a body guard in the true sense. he was basically there to help sid manage the crowds that form at visiting team hotels and practice rinks. there is an old SI article from back in the day that mentions it. if I find it i'll post it.
Anonymous (Veteran) wrote on 2015-01-31T06:14:28
pretty sure he doesn't have one now. otherwise people who spot him and post about it on twitter wouldn't say "he was alone" when asked. he is seen out ans about alone quite a bit, probably wouldn't happen if he had or needed a bodyguard.
Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on 2015-01-31T06:13:55
I think if needed Sidney could handle himself it's not like he's never been in a fight. But anyone can get knocked out even Floyd Mayweather if hit in a sweet spot. But who would want to harm Sid? He such a nice person I think even flyer fans wouldn't harm Sid lol. I hope no one is threatening him to the point he needs protection.... So has his father been back in town earlier in the season he seemed to be with Sid all the time.
Anonymous (Veteran) wrote on 2015-01-31T05:48:23
When he was at that karaoke bar after the season was over, Guerin still was playing, people were saying he had one. I think there was even a pic of him standing in a pic in the area where Sid was singing I think.
Anonymous (Rookie) wrote on 2015-01-31T05:27:59
Being strong doesn't mean you can fight. Not sure if he occasionally still has a bg but he did when he was younger. We don't know what's happening in his life maybe there were threats made the team was taking seriously, maybe he just uses one for large events. We can only guess.
Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on 2015-01-31T04:36:40
A fight trainer had said that he was training with Sid and Sid was so strong that he, the trainer, could not knock him off his feet. He said if anyone wants to battle with Sid they better know who they are dealing with.
Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on 2015-01-31T01:43:45
I met him at a event and he did not have any bodyguards. Was handing out autographs and chitchatting with fans. I don't think he needs bodyguards. He seems to be universally liked wherever he goes. Who in their right mind would start trouble with Sidney Crosby? He could probably squash a mere normal person pretty easily! He is after all a pro hockey player in a extremely violent and demanding league. Hes a beast!
Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on 2015-01-31T00:20:14
Does sid have body guards or anything? Because im not sure but I thought I remembered seeing it on here once. Can someone clear it up
Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on 2015-01-30T20:50:20

Who did he end up sitting beside on the plane? Was it first class?


Anonymous (Veteran) wrote on 2015-01-30T20:18:07
reply soph 03:57 got it. I thought that you were saying he was never coming back. I aslo heard/read that the earliest would be the playoffs. fingers crossed the blood thinners work.
Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on 2015-01-30T19:57:34
I'm no doctor of course and anything is possible everyone is different I don't see him back for reg season playoffs maybe.
Anonymous (Veteran) wrote on 2015-01-30T19:52:38
Yes rookie. They are staying there again.
Anonymous (Rookie) wrote on 2015-01-30T19:45:15
Yay sid with an assist ATLEAST
Anonymous (Legend) wrote on 2015-01-30T19:44:18
Reply to Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on Sat, 31 Jan 2015 03:31:30 GMT >> I think you're right both Maatta and Dupuis are gone for the year--including the playoffs. Maatta had shoulder surgery a second time and they said he's out 6 months. That puts him well into June. So he's done and won't be back until September. As for Dupuis his blood clot situation happened in late November. The idea was 6 months too. So late April? Would Dupuis make it to the playoffs? Who knows? --Sasky
Anonymous (Veteran) wrote on 2015-01-30T19:38:58
reply soph 03:31 why do you highly doubt it?
Anonymous (Legend) wrote on 2015-01-30T19:36:58
Reply to Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on Sat, 31 Jan 2015 03:15:06 GMT >> We are very lucky to have jobs we can do virtually so we can leave on these road trips. This is the last season we will have Canucks tickets so not sure what we will do next season coz the prices when Penguins come to Vancouver are ridiculous. We also plan right when the schedule comes out. Winter is real tricky as you know AB. Crazy weather and we have to get from Calgary to Vancouver the same day of the game so hopefully we make it coz we sure don't have a private jet like Crosby and the Penguins do, haha. It's a risk we take, not knowing if Crosby and Malkin will be playing and if the weather will behave. --Sasky
Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on 2015-01-30T19:31:30
Aren't both Olli and Dupres out for the season I guess if Duper blood clots heal he could comeback but I highly doubt that.
Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on 2015-01-30T19:30:22
Duper is out for 6 months. Probably around the playoffs they're back.
Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on 2015-01-30T19:29:44
Oh same as last year vet?
Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on 2015-01-30T19:28:44
Why is it strange to use nicknames? We call Sidney "Sid" all the time hmm to each their own I guess...
Anonymous (Veteran) wrote on 2015-01-30T19:26:50
They stay at the Opus rookie
Anonymous (Veteran) wrote on 2015-01-30T19:25:58
When are Ollie Maata and Pascal Dupres expected back?
Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on 2015-01-30T19:25:49
Sasky is correct in explaining "Desi" that's what I know Despres nickname as...
Anonymous (Rookie) wrote on 2015-01-30T19:20:59
Does anyone know which hotels the Pens are staying in Vancouver?
Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on 2015-01-30T19:15:06
Wow, that's quite the trip! I was a little worried when Sid was out that we wouldn't see him but I think as long as Sun goes good we will be seeing him play! ~Ab
Anonymous (Legend) wrote on 2015-01-30T19:11:31
Reply to Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on Sat, 31 Jan 2015 03:08:13 GMT >> Hi AB! Yes we are following the Penguins on their Western Canada trip. Edmonton-Calgary-Vancouver. Crossing our fingers Crosby, Malkin, and the weather all work together to make a good road trip! --Sasky
Anonymous (Legend) wrote on 2015-01-30T19:08:38
Reply to Anonymous (Veteran) wrote on Sat, 31 Jan 2015 03:06:18 GMT >> I always giggle when I see "Horny" as that has got to be one of the most funny player nicknames right now. Lappy is another one. I mean Horny and Lappy? Ahahaha. --Sasky
Anonymous (Rookie) wrote on 2015-01-30T19:08:13
Sasky, you still going to the game in Edm? ~Ab
Anonymous (Veteran) wrote on 2015-01-30T19:06:18
It was strange to me when fans use player nicknames.
Anonymous (Legend) wrote on 2015-01-30T19:06:17
Reply to Anonymous (Rookie) wrote on Sat, 31 Jan 2015 02:58:26 GMT >> He sure did! An assist on Kunitz's goal (Letang was the other assist). That gives Crosby 37 assists thus far! I don't understand all the naysayers on the various hockey boards and Twitter saying Crosby is doing shitty and whatever. He's doing great! And he doesn't have any issues with Kunitz on his line if they're getting goals, eh? --Sasky
Anonymous (Legend) wrote on 2015-01-30T19:02:39
Reply to Anonymous (Rookie) wrote on Sat, 31 Jan 2015 02:58:26 GMT >> Desi is Despres. I guess they use an "i" instead of a "y" to nickname him? --Sasky
Anonymous (Rookie) wrote on 2015-01-30T18:58:26
Who's Desi?
Anonymous (Rookie) wrote on 2015-01-30T18:58:13
Did Sid got a point?
Anonymous (Veteran) wrote on 2015-01-30T18:44:22
i'll say this, schneider was OUTSTANDING. it could have easily been 5-1 pens but he made some incredible saves and kept the devils in it.
Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on 2015-01-30T18:40:47
Thank you Desi
Anonymous (Rookie) wrote on 2015-01-30T18:39:57
Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on 2015-01-30T18:39:29
That was some fantastic 4 on 4 by the Pens! Wow! ~Ab
Anonymous (Veteran) wrote on 2015-01-30T18:39:16
Commentators said the Pens deserved to win
Anonymous (Veteran) wrote on 2015-01-30T18:38:30
thank gaawd!!
Anonymous (Veteran) wrote on 2015-01-30T18:38:02
Simon Dupres scores in overtime. Off the post and in the net
Anonymous (Rookie) wrote on 2015-01-30T18:37:43
It's OT!! Come in Pens!!!!
Anonymous (Veteran) wrote on 2015-01-30T18:32:53
Game tied at 1 at the end of regulation time.
Anonymous (Rookie) wrote on 2015-01-30T18:27:54
Yay! Point for sid
Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on 2015-01-30T18:21:12
I'll be glad when Geno comes back pens need some offense bad.
Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on 2015-01-30T18:07:32
Does anyone know the original clip that those gifs come from.
Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on 2015-01-30T17:27:23
I have no idea how people get gifs up so fast (or how they are done) but boy am I grateful! ~Ab
Anonymous (Rookie) wrote on 2015-01-30T17:25:47
I hope Sid scores or get a point!
Anonymous (Rookie) wrote on 2015-01-30T17:25:11
Here's the gif
Anonymous (Rookie) wrote on 2015-01-30T17:20:02
The gif of Sid and Flower playing with their psp on the train is adorable. Sid looks so sexy!
Anonymous (Veteran) wrote on 2015-01-30T17:16:15
the devils announcers said that sid lost his mouth guard somewhere around the devils net and he was frantically searching for it. apparently Schneider was helping him. poor sid :( he can't catch any breaks lately...
Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on 2015-01-30T17:13:24
I wonder if it's one if those expensive chess boards made of glass or something. I haven't played chess in years but it's a fun game. Guess it's another game for his ManCave.
Anonymous (Veteran) wrote on 2015-01-30T16:51:31
chess isn't as boring as you think. besides it's about strategy and seeing the whole board which is what sid does on the ice. so it's kind of the perfect gift ;)
Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on 2015-01-30T16:49:01
I heard that too Vet. Man I hope his life isn't as boring as it sounds lol! ~Ab
Anonymous (Veteran) wrote on 2015-01-30T16:45:12
Haha root sports announcers saying that Sid had gotten a chess game for Christmas.
Anonymous (Rookie) wrote on 2015-01-30T15:24:20
I really hope we get the win tonight also hope Sid is able to pick up some pts.
Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on 2015-01-30T10:07:52
lol, he's just focused ;). ~Ab
Anonymous (Veteran) wrote on 2015-01-30T10:05:16
Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on 2015-01-30T10:01:50
I haven't seen a pic yet today, where is it Soph? Twitter, IG? ~Ab
Anonymous (Veteran) wrote on 2015-01-30T10:00:32
it's one photo that captures one second in a day. please don't try and figure out how he's feeling from a one second snapshot. it's silly.
Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on 2015-01-30T09:49:39
Im sids on pic from morning skate he kind of looks really grumpy to me
Anonymous (Rookie) wrote on 2015-01-30T07:11:03
GAME DAY time to get back on track slay those devils.
Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on 2015-01-29T22:50:25
Mouthy. Not mouth. It wasnt typing and or posting the y at the end
Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on 2015-01-29T22:49:48
Mouth not mouth. My bad
Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on 2015-01-29T22:47:14
And in that gif the way it looked like he said it seemed kind of mouth and attitudish to me anyways
Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on 2015-01-29T22:46:57
I see Soph 06:39:38 got it up for me. Thanks. ~Ab
Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on 2015-01-29T22:46:38
Superbowl sundays game is a weird timed game. Ive never seen a hockey game at two in the afternoon well not penguins wise
Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on 2015-01-29T22:39:38
It's pretty much nothing -
Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on 2015-01-29T22:30:09
Can you post a link. It would probablly be easier that way
Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on 2015-01-29T22:28:34
I haven't seen the Kuni one. ~Ab
Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on 2015-01-29T22:27:47
Ok, the "I had it under control" gif isn't that dramatic but it's under gfhockey on Tumbler. A 3 part gif. I'd post but not sure if I can on my phone. ~Ab
Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on 2015-01-29T22:08:21
Anyone find the yelling at kuni gif yet?
Anonymous (Veteran) wrote on 2015-01-29T22:01:58
Oh dear. I hate to think of the two of them not connecting but something isn't working to be sure.
Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on 2015-01-29T20:49:00
Just at the Oilers game lol ~Ab
Anonymous (Rookie) wrote on 2015-01-29T20:48:34
I'll try to find the I had it under control gif when I get home. ~ Ab.
Anonymous (Rookie) wrote on 2015-01-29T20:47:43
That's no surprise really his confidence will struggle when he has a slump but he was getting really back into those four games after the Montreal game winner he got.. Two goals and an assist against NYI and goals in a few other games.. Then the Injury came as well as the allstr game. He will get back into. He's never been one to shy away from
Saying he hates change. This year was a huge change for him. It makes sense he's having a rough year. He's still 5th on points even with having his worst slump.. That's saying something
Anonymous (Rookie) wrote on 2015-01-29T20:29:01
I listened to the podcast with Madden and Josh Yohe and Josh seems convinced that Sid is having big time confidence problems and that his struggles are more mental that anything physical. He isn't racking up the goals and the pts like he is used to and that is causing his confidence to take a hit.
Anonymous (Legend) wrote on 2015-01-29T20:15:01
I didn't see that under control gif.
Anonymous (Veteran) wrote on 2015-01-29T20:10:43
Theres a gif of him saying 'I had it under control'? If someone can find it, please post it!!
Anonymous (Veteran) wrote on 2015-01-29T20:09:52
Is this the gif Vet? I can't tell because it doesn't show if it is Kuni that he is beside & talking to.
Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on 2015-01-29T20:08:50
Can anyone post that gif here about the sid and kuni thing?
Anonymous (Rookie) wrote on 2015-01-29T20:04:43
Do you mean the gif where Sid is saying "I had it under control!" (I think) ~Ab
Anonymous (Veteran) wrote on 2015-01-29T20:01:02
Yeah! Thanks so much:)
Anonymous (Veteran) wrote on 2015-01-29T19:58:57
i'm on an semi-ancient phone and can't paste links but it will look for it and direct you to it if I find it or I can post it tomorrow from my office where I have the capability to do so. sound good?
Anonymous (Legend) wrote on 2015-01-29T19:58:40
It's on Tumblr. Under Sid's tag.
Anonymous (Veteran) wrote on 2015-01-29T19:57:13
That makes sense Vet. Do you by any chance have the link to the gif you saw where it looks like Sid is frusterated with Kuni please?:)
Anonymous (Veteran) wrote on 2015-01-29T19:53:00
reply legend 03:15 I also listened to madden and yohe today when the discussed sid having a heated discussion with kuni on the bench. I saw it to (in gif form). you could tell that sid was frustrated and that's what madden and yohe said, basically that sid is frustrated. madden and yohe (and many others in the media) all seem to agree that kunitz has lost a step or two in the last year and that he simply can't keep up with sid anymore. again, both madden and yohe believe that's what the heated exchange was about. basically sid getting frustrated and maybe him realizing that as much as he wants it that kunitz simply can't keep up with him anymore.
Anonymous (Veteran) wrote on 2015-01-29T19:47:24
rookie I think the sid and fleury thing the other poster was taking about was "fans" on fb calling for them to be traded. I can't stress enough that the people who post on the pens fb page, especially after a loss don't really know a lot about hockey. please ignore them all together. I never read the comments on any public pages, including articles whether hockey or not hockey related because it's usually a forum for idiots. the only comments I read are on dk's site. since you have to subscribe it generally attacks knowledgeable sports enthusiasts so even after a loss the comments aren't wacky but actually knowledgeable.
Anonymous (Veteran) wrote on 2015-01-29T19:41:41
They need some good Canadian air. Gotta get through the weekend first. It will be good to see them in Edmonton, Calgary and Vancouver.
Anonymous (Rookie) wrote on 2015-01-29T19:35:08
Maybe thats why there has suddenly been talk about trading kuni?
Anonymous (Rookie) wrote on 2015-01-29T19:31:24
What sid and fleury thing?
Anonymous (Rookie) wrote on 2015-01-29T19:30:55
It didn't seem like an assumption both of them said they saw it I don't think its a huge deal but it's not good.. Maybe juat an issue with positioning and where they're supposed to be. And I think it's pretty obvious when it's justbyelling to get someone's attention as compared to yelling out of frustration
Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on 2015-01-29T19:29:14
I read about it on twitter about the sid and fleury thing
Anonymous (Legend) wrote on 2015-01-29T19:15:33
Maybe Kuni can't hear Sid thaf's why he's yelling? Anyway, those things are just assumptions.
Anonymous (Rookie) wrote on 2015-01-29T19:09:21
What do you mean heated with kuni? Like arguing with him? If so, thats not good.
Anonymous (Rookie) wrote on 2015-01-29T19:00:35
reply rookie 02:48 I also listened to madden today (i know, i know it's madden) but both he and josh and every other hockey writer/analyst that I follow from the burgh and national says there is no reason to panic. everyone needs to consider all the man games lost. also in the past the pens have breezed through january only to take a dump during the playoffs. i'd rather see them work out the kinks now than later. was it an embarrassing loss? yes, absolutely. is it the end of the world? absolutely not and any "fan" that is predicting the end doesn't understand the game.
Anonymous (Legend) wrote on 2015-01-29T18:52:31
Soph, I think you're reading too much stuff from the fairweather fans.
Anonymous (Legend) wrote on 2015-01-29T18:51:01
Does anyone know which hotel the Pens stay in in Vancouver and if their practice is open to the public? Last year they stayed at Opus hotel, I don't know if they're staying there this time. THANK YOU!
Anonymous (Rookie) wrote on 2015-01-29T18:48:25
Everyone just has to calm
Down.. Thoss idiots online are just stupid bandwagon/fairweather fans and are trying to get a rise out of everything. I usually never agree with MM but today his show had josh yohe and they both stated there ISNt cause for panic. They said sid needs to change position on the PP which I fully agree but I guess he loves the right point. They also said they say sid get heated with Kunitz on the bench seems like he just frusturated
Anonymous (Rookie) wrote on 2015-01-29T18:46:06
reply soph 02:40 who is saying this? where are you reading it?
Anonymous (Legend) wrote on 2015-01-29T18:44:22
I saw the league standingtoday and we're not actually not that bad. Last night was brutal, but some fans are making it look like it's the end of the world.
Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on 2015-01-29T18:40:44
Wow people are crazy they still wNt fleury traded and there saying to trade sid to.... I doubt either of them are getting traded at all.
Anonymous (Rookie) wrote on 2015-01-29T18:27:54
"everyone" is doing better than geno and sid??? I don't get it. geno and sid are ranked 5th and 6th in scoring so I don't know why is seems like everyone is doing better. not to mention they are only six points behind the leader which is hardly insurmountable. as for the pens themselves their 5th in the conference and only 3 points out of the lead. it's not all doom and gloom.
Anonymous (Legend) wrote on 2015-01-29T18:22:02
Sid's still in the top 10 in points. Honestly, I'm not worried. I actually feel like the scoring these days is pretty slow. Some media guys still pick him to be the MVP.
Anonymous (Rookie) wrote on 2015-01-29T18:09:41
I know it's only January but it seems like everyone in the NHL is doing better than Sid, Geno, and the Penguins to the point I think we'll see a lot of 40 goal scorers and 100 point players at the end of the season. When will the Pens get their hot streak? :(
Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on 2015-01-29T16:08:14
I agree I don't post everything I see on twitter cause I don't see the point "Sids at the mall" or "Sids at the movies" if it's posted and ppl make a convo out of it fine but I don't see the point of posting his every move he's not a hermit he's a normal guy he goes places big deal. I usually check twitter just to see new pics, if there isn't any new pics I don't really care if Sid stopped to get gas or a bite to eat.
Anonymous (Veteran) wrote on 2015-01-29T15:50:04
I have to agree with Vet and Rookie. There are a lot of twitter sightings, you just have to scroll down a while because there are a lot of spam tweets about Sid. I see a lot of tweets that aren't posted here. Just because people don't give the link, or mention the tweet on this board does not mean they do not exist. I have seen a lot of twitter sightings in the past month. And we have actually gotten quite a few good photos recently, people get a lot of photos when sid is at bars & restaurants, or stores & malls. Also we got a few photos within 2-3 days this week, so I would hardly say that we aren't getting many. Sid is on the road & at the rink a lot, but I do believe then when he is not there, and he is out & about, we do get quite a lot of sightings and photos.
Anonymous (Veteran) wrote on 2015-01-29T15:41:57
Reply-to:really cause looking at youre posting history you seem to post ALL tweets on here.

sorry to inform you that you are wrong once again. i didn't post the apple store pics from this weekend or any of the mall sighting tweets. the last tweet i posted was from friday and it was from the media and was about his injury. in fact if you look at my "posting history" (which you clearly didn't do) it is pretty clear that i've only posted 5 tweets, 4 of them being from the media and one of a jerk who was trying to say that sid was at the beach during the ASG. so i'm not sure where you got the idea that i post "all the tweets". do you need anymore help?

Anonymous (Rookie) wrote on 2015-01-29T15:31:21
reply rookie 23:19 my god you are a tool. by your own admission you rely on others to post tweets and pics here or on tumblr. so that being the case if someone decides not to post something or misses something you wouldn't see it anyway. you're obviously part of the lazy generation. search twitter yourself and stop being such a lazy ass tool.
Anonymous (Rookie) wrote on 2015-01-29T15:24:55
really cause looking at you're posting history you seem to post ALL tweets on here.
Anonymous (Veteran) wrote on 2015-01-29T15:22:26
wow. that's a zinger. they're just tweets with no pics. why post something that says "standing next to sidney crosby in line." people want to see pics. if you use the advanced twitter search there are things that come up. again, tweets with no pics don't usually get posted here or anywhere. no need to be nasty about it.
Anonymous (Rookie) wrote on 2015-01-29T15:19:12
Sure they're there but no one is posting them here and only you can see them. lol
Anonymous (Veteran) wrote on 2015-01-29T15:09:17
actually HCC usually only posts pics, not twitter sightings that don't have pics so rookie 22:18 is correct. if you search twitter the correct way there are quite a few sightings in the burgh, they just don't have pics. search correctly and you will see them too.
Anonymous (Rookie) wrote on 2015-01-29T15:01:48
HCC posts most of the pics and sightings and there are hardly any from Pitt in the last few months. They're usually posted here too and there havent been any from here in a long time either. Unless you're seeing stuff no one else can.
Anonymous (Rookie) wrote on 2015-01-29T14:18:53
Actually no.. If you search sidney on twitter there are always some sightings. I have seen a lot.. "Sidney crosby is 50 feet away from me at.." "Just sat beside sidney crosby" "just stood beside sidney crosby in line at.." Etc... if you think 2 days is "ages" then ya that was the first in ages because we had seen a photo of him 2 days before that lol
Anonymous (Veteran) wrote on 2015-01-29T14:15:51
sure o.k.
Anonymous (Rookie) wrote on 2015-01-29T14:07:03
The posts of him at the mall were the first ones of him on pittsburgh for ages. There aren't a lot of them and most come from fans when he's out of town.
Anonymous (Rookie) wrote on 2015-01-29T12:11:28
I am so excited to see him play in Vancouver!!
Anonymous (Veteran) wrote on 2015-01-29T11:32:41
and when he's on the road we get lot's of sightings when it's a hockey crazy city especially in canada (there were many photos when the pens went to montreal) or even in a place like nashville.
Anonymous (Rookie) wrote on 2015-01-29T11:14:32
Oh, well no matter how hard I search kr look jnto that stuff I can never find any posts of seeing him. I think im doing something wrong while searching for that stuff.
Anonymous (Rookie) wrote on 2015-01-29T11:12:58
We get sightings actually pretty often when he is home soph. A lot of tweets saying "just saw sidney crosby at..." Or "just walked by sidney crosby" and we get photos sometimes too. For example 2 days ago we got about 5 tweets of people seeing sid in the mall or at the apple store and 2 pictures.. We get photos when hes out at bars and stuff too. For the most part we usually do get a few sightings whether they are tweets or igs
Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on 2015-01-29T11:03:48
Theres never really any sightings of sid anymore. Does he just hang out in the hotel and his house or is he just that good that people dont find/see him a majority of the time?
Anonymous (Rookie) wrote on 2015-01-29T06:38:05
Where is yhe gif from rookie?
Anonymous (Rookie) wrote on 2015-01-29T05:45:24
Anonymous (Legend) wrote on 2015-01-29T05:22:50
During ASG someone posted a pic of him sunbathing, but it was like from 2 years ago when the Pens played in Florida. The pic of him shirtless seating next to Engelland I think.
Anonymous (Rookie) wrote on 2015-01-29T03:58:27
So,...who did say crap about him going to holiday? He is still injured that's why he plays so badly
Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on 2015-01-29T03:50:09
4 I believe
Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on 2015-01-29T00:08:23
How many episodes of in the toom have there been? On youtube they only have 3
Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on 2015-01-28T23:46:32
Nicol: can i add you amh?? :) i love new friends on myspace
Anonymous (Legend) wrote on 2015-01-28T22:34:23
Ugh what kind of parents that JJ have!
Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on 2015-01-28T22:27:01
Does sid have bodyguards or a body guard?
Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on 2015-01-28T21:50:41
hey, you turned it nasty when no one else was going there.
Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on 2015-01-28T21:48:40
Trust me I won't be losing any sleep
Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on 2015-01-28T21:47:22
reply soph 05:45 HAHAHAHAHA!!!! if that's the best you got I feel sorry for you. but thanks for the laugh after that miserable loss. but seriously, your such a sad thing. so sad....
Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on 2015-01-28T21:43:10
sorry but the stuff with his grandfather just became public this week. nice try though. take your bitterness and your misconceptions somewhere else.
Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on 2015-01-28T21:43:07
Were emts there because of ehrhoff?
Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on 2015-01-28T21:40:27
Sorry you don't follow anything with hockey besides Sid. The thing with jack Johnson came about back in November so your extremely late trying to talk about.
Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on 2015-01-28T21:36:43
Why were emts there though? Was it because of ernhoff?
Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on 2015-01-28T21:35:22
reply soph 05:33. thank you so much for letting us all know!! what would we ever do without your guiding hand??!!
Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on 2015-01-28T21:34:19
in one of the many articles i read about the situation it mentioned that jack was very concerned about his little brother. I imagine if the DA thinks there was true fraud involved then they will eventually bring charges against the parents.
Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on 2015-01-28T21:33:34
Very old news with the jack Johnson stuff.
Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on 2015-01-28T21:29:29
They sound like money hungry sketchy ppl you have to be to rob your own son and parent. Wow I would've pressed charges on them if I were Jack they'll probably do this to Jacks brother if given the opportunity. Awful just awful.
Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on 2015-01-28T21:09:40
OT but I just read another article regarding jack Johnson and how his parents stole his money. turns out his parents also defrauded his grandfather (jack's dad's dad) and when jack's parents took over control of his money after they made him fire is agent jack's grandpa knew his parents would screw jack out of his money too but he couldn't do anything about it. so sad :(
Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on 2015-01-28T21:03:33
Not every team has two of the best players in the world (and I also think Letang is elite), so the expectations in Pitt are that much higher. He'll take the heat when they're losing and he'll get the praise when they're winning. Comes with the territory.
Anonymous (Legend) wrote on 2015-01-28T21:01:57
Everyone's awful tonight not only Sid or Flower.
Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on 2015-01-28T20:56:22
reply vet 04:49 agreed vet!! and the fact that people are freaking out about the pens who are only 3 points off the lead in the eastern conference only proves how ridiculous all the complaining is.
Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on 2015-01-28T20:53:25
emergency medical technicians. basically the people who show up when you call for an ambulance.
Anonymous (Legend) wrote on 2015-01-28T20:51:36
What's EMTs?
Anonymous (Veteran) wrote on 2015-01-28T20:49:41
kings barely made the post season before and they ended up winning two cups. the pens just need time to get healthy, jell and establish chemistry. and even then, they may not win it all. this all or nothing attitude these fair weather fans have is so unrealistic and downright annoying
Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on 2015-01-28T20:47:23
@mackey_trib there were EMTs outside the penguins locker room tonight. haven't seen that before. Johnson had no update on ehrhoff.
Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on 2015-01-28T20:33:32
The one thing I think is we have for the past 2 years skated through the regular season but failed in the playoffs. So hopefully this adversity Er are facing will just help us in the playoffs.
Anonymous (Legend) wrote on 2015-01-28T20:19:47
Removing the C on him is stupid. Ugh some people!
Anonymous (Rookie) wrote on 2015-01-28T20:18:16
agreed vet 04:11 twitter and fb and ig are nothing but platforms for the haters no matter what the subject matter is. besides, most of those people no nothing about the game, have never played the game or are truly invested in the game. and you're right about the injury stuff. neither sid or hcmj or rutherford can help if a quarter of the team has been on the ir list.
Anonymous (Veteran) wrote on 2015-01-28T20:16:39
agreed. a nice road trip out west will be good for team building.
Anonymous (Legend) wrote on 2015-01-28T20:14:49
For them not *him
Anonymous (Legend) wrote on 2015-01-28T20:14:12
I think the road trip is going to be great for him. They need some fresh air lol
Anonymous (Legend) wrote on 2015-01-28T20:13:13
I think the CEC needs some prayer and holy water. Seriously.
Anonymous (Veteran) wrote on 2015-01-28T20:11:16
don't pay too much attention to these fair weather fans on FB, twitter and IG. they're idiots. really. so tired of people thinking Sid needs to ream out his team or "speak up." There is a lack of chemistry or cohesiveness with this team bc there are so many new players. when they finally appear to be jelling, 2-3 players get injured. sid can't change that.
Anonymous (Veteran) wrote on 2015-01-28T20:10:08
Not that I really think there is a "she" but if there was what would she say to the boy after a game like that? Must be so hard on the families of the players.
Anonymous (Rookie) wrote on 2015-01-28T20:09:30
reply rookie 04:04 have you ever seen what striping the capitancy of a player does to that player or the team as a whole??
Anonymous (Legend) wrote on 2015-01-28T20:07:30
I think some people forget that he's only 27, because he's been in the league for 10 years and win everything. They're used to see him, like us being so dominant every game. I believe he's still the same Sid, hard working and always give his 100%. He just came back from injury too.
Anonymous (Rookie) wrote on 2015-01-28T20:04:30
Would it really be the worst thing in the world if Sid wasn't the captain anymore?? I mean honestly....
Anonymous (Legend) wrote on 2015-01-28T20:04:18
Those FB "fans" are the worst when they criticize Sid. I don't know about twitter since I don't have one, but when Sid scores they're praising him, if he doesn't they want to kill him. Holy shit.
Anonymous (Veteran) wrote on 2015-01-28T20:04:12
Im not saying Sid is allowed to play this way, or that he is proving how great he actually is right now. I am saying that there are a lot of players who are not playing well too, and I know he is captain, but Sid shouldn't be the only one to blame. We have no clue what is going on in that locker room, for all we know, Sid could be up there giving speeches & doing everything he can to motivate his team. But to say if he is not playing well, the rest of his team has no reason to is not right. One thing we know about Sid is that he wants to win & always gives 100% effort, and maybe he is not playing well and is in a slump at the moment, but he is determined, and whether it is next game, or next year, he will prove that he is still the best. I think people forget he is still 27, which is super young, and he still has a good amount of time.
Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on 2015-01-28T20:02:22
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Anonymous (Rookie) wrote on Thu, 29 Jan 2015 01:46:22 GMT
Trina's at the raptors game with the aunt and uncle from the Olympics. They're with someone on a wheelchair, some dudes on their 20/30's and another girl
How do you know she is at the raptors game
Anonymous (Legend) wrote on 2015-01-28T20:00:55
Same here, I think he's hurt. Does Parise's leadership being called too since they've been playing like a crap. I think it's also one of those things that Sid needs to deal with being the best player and Sidney Crosby. Like it or not people are always throw dirt on him whether they win 10 in a row or not.
Anonymous (Veteran) wrote on 2015-01-28T19:58:34
Only reason*
Anonymous (Veteran) wrote on 2015-01-28T19:58:02
Thats ridiculous rookie. That shouldn't matter. Just because Sid may be having a bad day, or not be completely playing himself, does not mean the rest of the team shouldn't try their hardest either. There have been many games where Sid has had to pick up the teams slack, and the other reason they won was because of him. The people saying he shouldn't be captain are idiots who do not respect how amazing a player he is, and those are the people that only love him when he is playing his best, and they obviously are not the kind of fans that the Pens appreciate.
Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on 2015-01-28T19:56:35
I feel for him though, how can you lead this team? They need an overhaul. Personally I would LOVE to see Adams, Bortuzzo, and Sill hit the bricks.
Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on 2015-01-28T19:55:23
I think Sid is still hurt.
Anonymous (Legend) wrote on 2015-01-28T19:54:35
Also, leading by example only goes so far. Once In a while you gotta open your mouth.
Anonymous (Rookie) wrote on 2015-01-28T19:51:46
Reply-to:Sids leadership skills are really being called into question. What is at the bottom of all this I wonder?

They should be. It starts with him, like it or not. If he doesn't show up on the ice why should the others?

Anonymous (Veteran) wrote on 2015-01-28T19:50:42
Sids leadership skills are really being called into question. What is at the bottom of all this I wonder?
Anonymous (Legend) wrote on 2015-01-28T19:45:34
I really hope these loses are wake up call, because I'm so sick of everyone that rips Sid all the freakin time it's like he still needs to prove something.
Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on 2015-01-28T19:45:29
Yup Legend, I'm from Edmonton and have been a fan of theirs forever. Pens are a very close 2nd ;). With Sid's injuries and me usually being in Hawaii in Feb I've always missed the Pens when they are in town. Not this year though but I'm nervous that Sid won't play due to injury. ~Ab
Anonymous (Legend) wrote on 2015-01-28T19:41:31
Ab, so you're an Oilers fan? I'm watching the game in Vancouver. It's will be my third time watching Sid. I hope they win!!
Anonymous (Veteran) wrote on 2015-01-28T19:39:57
Ugh! All I want is to see the Pens winning, and Sid with the most points. The pens keep having some good games, and I start to think 'yes, they're on their way back', but then they have like 3 bad losses in a row.. And then Sid is so close to having the most points, and getting a lot in some games, and I think in no time he will be #1, but then we get games like this where he gets none. Im not losing faith in Sid or the Pens, but they've been in this slump for a while now, and right now, I am sitting on the edge of my seat waiting for it to change.
Anonymous (Veteran) wrote on 2015-01-28T19:39:43
well, if they can't beat the oilers then there is no hope for the pens this season. :) just kidding. hope it's a great game for you Ab.
Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on 2015-01-28T19:36:48
Haha Vet, it's the Oilers game I'll be going too. Guess we'll see! ~Ab
Anonymous (Veteran) wrote on 2015-01-28T19:35:15
they better beat the oilers!
Anonymous (Veteran) wrote on 2015-01-28T19:34:35
well, sometimes you have to lose bad to wake up. hopefully it works.
Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on 2015-01-28T19:31:36
Yes! Finally they are here in Western Can! Man I hope Sid is playing I haven't been able to see him play live before. ~Ab
Anonymous (Legend) wrote on 2015-01-28T19:27:41
Well they have a big road trip in Western Canada.
Anonymous (Legend) wrote on 2015-01-28T19:27:06
"Fans" are saying that we're losing because Sid's back. They're all dead out there not just Sid.
Anonymous (Veteran) wrote on 2015-01-28T19:25:47
Even Green scores on us.
Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on 2015-01-28T19:23:33
They all look f*cking slow and out of it. They need a good long road trip, that's when they come together and start winning.
Anonymous (Legend) wrote on 2015-01-28T19:22:47
Sid doesn't look right to me.
Anonymous (Legend) wrote on 2015-01-28T19:18:53
Oh Pens. Sigh.
Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on 2015-01-28T19:17:33
No precision to their passing, hard to watch.
Anonymous (Veteran) wrote on 2015-01-28T19:16:52
Why does Fehr always have Sids number? #penguinkiller
Anonymous (Legend) wrote on 2015-01-28T19:13:37
You know how we play great in the regular season under Dan and we're horrible in the playoffs? I hope with Johnston it's opposite.
Anonymous (Legend) wrote on 2015-01-28T19:08:20
They're painful to watch. What's happening. Yohe said our offense doesn't used to be like this.
Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on 2015-01-28T19:01:52
I didn't think they were great last night, but they're brutal tonight. So many new faces, zero chemistry.
Anonymous (Legend) wrote on 2015-01-28T18:56:47
Last night they played amazing. Tonight they're flat. We used to beat the Caps all the time :(
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